Hungry For God

Sunday, January 13, 2008

Most Sunday mornings (lately), Along with many Americans, I go to a building that our current culture calls a church. I go with the hope of experiencing God, receiving from Him, connecting with Him and other believers in my spirit.
Lately though, I have realized that the thing I go to this building to do, I actually experience more of outside of the building...without the liturgy, the pomp and ceremony...My spirit connects with others better through conversation or touch than through experiencing the same sermon or worship songs.
I've found that I truly love the people that gather together every Sunday at this building, their hearts for Christ, and their different personalities are so awesome when we are all apart from the laws and rituals, the expectations, the clothes, the songs, and the building that makes up our "church." In fact, some of our closest friends pastor the church! My point here is not to say that this place, or the heart of those who go there are bad, or that they have poor intentions.

It makes me really wonder about the first century church. What did Christ really desire for His followers...? Was it really close intimacy, sharing, healing, acceptance, and love? Or was it a hierarchy holding onto a rule book? A certain wardrobe, a certain order of events, a certain place for the "pastor" to stand, a certain place for the "church" to sit, the right songs to sing to bring about a certain experience...it all seems so strange to me now. Is this the way it was meant to be?

I know I've heard from a lot of others who feel the same way, so many are struggling with the "church" as it currently stands...and so, for those of you who are curious, I'm reading a really great book. My aunt Vicki sent me Pagan Christianity? Exploring the Roots of Our Church Practices by Frank Viola and George Barna. They invite us to question why we do church the way we do...Here are a few excerpts! I'm leaving out sources used by the authors, so you'll need to actually read the book to get their research and evidence...it's in there :)

"As Christians we are taught by our leaders to believe certain ideas and behave in certain ways. We are also encouraged to read our Bibles. But we are conditioned to read the Bible with the lens handed to us by the Christian tradition to which we belong. We are taught to obey our denomination (or movement) and never to challenge what it teaches. "

"If the truth be told, we as Christians never seem to ask why we do what we do. Instead we blithely carry out our religious traditions without asking where they came from. Most Christians who claim to uphold the integrity of God's Word have never sought to see if what they do every Sunday has any scriptural backing. How do we know this? Because if they did, it would lead them to some very disturbing conclusions that would compel them by conscience to forever abandon what they are doing. "

"There does not exist a shred of biblical support for the church building. Yet scores of Christians pay good money each year to sanctify their brick and stone. By doing so, they have supported an artificial setting where they are lulled into passivity and prevented from being natural or intimate with other believers. "

I hope you'll check it out.

10 Comments:

  • At 9:10 PM, Blogger Nate said…

    Wow, I almost gave up on you. I like your thoughts.

    It goes with my favorite church saying about dressing a certain way at church on Sunday. "God deserves your best." My response is, and will always be, doesn't God deserve your best everyday.

    If interested, ask me about the church of behavior.

     
  • At 1:23 PM, Blogger KariBryant said…

    Nate,
    I'm glad you didn't give up on me. I was sorry to read about your father. I'm a little jealous of him however...wishing I too could be sitting at the feet of Jesus.

    What is the church of behavior?

     
  • At 1:40 PM, Blogger One Voice of Many said…

    I'm interested in hearing "church of behavior" as well.

    I agree with this post and, like Nate, was happy to see you post again. I flake in and out of blogging as well so no finger pointing going on here.

    Michelle

     
  • At 8:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Barna has lost his mind and so has everyone who challenges the Bilical mandate for atttending church services in a church building.

    If we call our selves Christians we should do what Jesus did. Jesus was in the church building constantly attending religious services. You can look for new methods but you cant change the life that Jesus lived.

    From a child to the end of His life He was a brick & mortar going man. The current move away from "traditional church" is the subtle trick of the devil to cause people to live lives that do not resemble the living example Jesus left.

     
  • At 8:40 PM, Blogger One Voice of Many said…

    Pastor Scott - got a service to protect, I presume?

    I have never read more than three passages that placed Christ within the temple walls. When he was there, he was there to straighten someone in the religious authority straight (the money changers, reading Isaiah of "the spirit is upon ME..., and as a boy instructing the instructors).

    All other gospel accounts have him OUT and about with the commoners.

     
  • At 8:47 PM, Blogger Nate said…

    Church of Behavior. It is when a person who has been recruited by the church to go to church is not discipled. They do not grow in a relationship with God. What happens is they start to go to church and learn the behaviors that get them accepted. By exhibiting these behaviors, people around them assume that they are committed to God as they are. But these people never commit, are never truly converted. They just said some prayer someone told them to pray one time. Then never really change/repent.

    Pastor Scott, Nice to see you drop by. I thought I saw you at the sermon on the mount. No, that couldn't have been you. You would have been in a building somewhere. Also when Jesus went to the brick and morter, he antagonized the people teaching there so much so, that they killed him for it in the end. You really need to reread your bible so that you know what it REALLY says of Jesus. Like that he hung out with prostutes, did not condemn adulterers, and was always critisized for the company he kept. Also, I would love to know the verse that sasys, "Thou shalt go to a building and worship me on the sabbath." If it comes from leviticus, you are talking about Judeaism, not christianity. Also, I am not a christian, I am a servant of God. "Christian" has a pretty nasty dogma attached to it, so I don't use it anymore. This way I can actaully talk to someone that needs to know about the lord without them running away from me.
    Lastly, and not leastly, "Where two or more are gathered together im my name, there shall I be also." There are three here that I can see.

    Sorry Pastor Scott. Not really trying to be mean. But sometimes, christians are the worst emenmy of christianity. We actually read the bible and learn from it. When what we hear from the pulpit does not match what we read in the bible, that is not the pastors fault. One of the wonderful thing that I am able to experience, is the different interpretations that come from a single reading of the same chapter by different people. Five readers, five different takes. It is my belief that this is guided by God to equip those he has chosen to do His work more effectively. We will never understand God, that is the only assurance the bible gives us about God. So to say that people who are under the conviction of the Holy Spirit are wrong because you do not agree with them. You need to read Paul and James writings again and count the number of times that it says not to judge. It is a new world out there. One, that for the first time, is a spiritually studied and educated. We do not just take a pastors word for it anymore. Sorry.

     
  • At 8:50 PM, Blogger Nate said…

    I apologize about the rant. But, I prayed about it before saving it. It felt right.

     
  • At 7:49 AM, Blogger KariBryant said…

    Wow! Great conversation!

    Nate - I've attended the church of behavior myself! I do believe that this season in my life has had a lot to do with God pulling me away from that and allowing me to see the things that HE HASN'T required of me (Isaiah 1).

    Pastor Scott - I haven't seen you on my blog before...hope you are enjoying it? I have to agree with Michelle here that it really does sound like you have a service to protect. I guess that was a little harsh. I hope that you will read Barna's book...before you stick with your view of him having lost his mind. I also hope that the Lord will open your eyes to the freedom that He longs for you to have..and for your congregation to have if you pastor a church. As I wrote in my post, I do not believe that the intentions of "pastors" or church leaders are bad...or that their hearts are in the wrong place. Truly many are hearing from the Lord, and are leading a group of people the way that they believe God has instructed them to. There are, however, many of us who are still searching for more than the experience, the emotional high, the...for more than the strict service, and I for one, have experienced a community of believers much like the first century church, and so long for it again...it's just rare to find it today. I hope that I didn't offend you or other church leaders, but I hope that you will reconsider your terse remarks...delve a little deaper...ask God what HE thinks. I pray that you are touched by HIM today, and that your heart is softened by His exceedingly great love for you.

    As I read further, I discover taht Barna's book is quite an historical research paper on the metamorphosis of the church...from the church being the actual body of Christ - you and I - to the church becoming a building, and all of the traditions, including the installation of an actual "pastor" to the songs and the pews, etc..it's quite interesting to discover where the modern and even postmodern church got their "service rituals." I doubt that most of the church leaders today even know where they come from.

     
  • At 1:35 PM, Blogger Amy said…

    Wow, you've sparked quite the conversation here, Kari! I enjoyed this post and all the comments, and am quite sure that I will enjoy this book.

     
  • At 8:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Me too! It's totally where I am. Oh how I long for community everyday - not just the shadow of one once a week for a few hours...

    Hi Kari! Love ya!

     

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